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Poster: donuil Date: Jun 7, 2008 12:27am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Has anyone else noticed this about Google Books?

You think that's bad -- in the UK I can only seem to view and download books that are pre-1880. I wonder why the UK's Google Books are so restricted? Everything after about 1880 is only available in snippets. I've seen tons of links on American websites telling one to go and look at and download 'X Book, 1910' from Google and can't download it!
So at least Americans *can* access it to some degree! :P

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Poster: Jim Carlile Date: Jun 8, 2008 1:20am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Has anyone else noticed this about Google Books?

By the same token, we can't access any of that great archive of 50's classical music recordings that are available in Europe!

BTW, when does the public domain kick-in in the U.K.? Here it's pre-1923. Not sure where the 1880 comes from, unless it has something to do with Berne.

I'm amazed that more users haven't noticed this problem about Google Books and their full-view access restrictions to many, many PD works-- the pattern started to become apparent almost two years ago.

When Microsoft Live came on board, it was obvious that Google was holding back their own copies of many pre-1923 works. The question was, why?

But--- their UC agreement specifically requires them to make all University of California PD works full-view. It raises questions why they don't always, or why later copyrighted versions of mixed-content works get scanned and listed, but nearby copies of the same works that are fully PD often do not.

Here's a tip for European researchers-- the University of Michigan library provides their copy of Google's full-text scans at their own online site-- for off campus users, too (UC restricts their own Google copies to UC-related personnel.)

So, if Google has scanned a Michigan book, just look it up at Michigan's online catalog. It's a great way of circumventing Google Books. It may work for Europe.

By agreement, Google is required to provide these institutions with their own copies of Google scans. That's why they have them.

But John Dvorak was right in his great article: losing Microsoft Live Books is very sad. They had a fantastic search engine and were making a big effort to go after PD works. It's too bad nobody noticed it.

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Poster: anthonypaul Date: Jun 8, 2008 12:32pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Has anyone else noticed this about Google Books?

The reason for the discrepancy must be that in the EU and so Britain, copyright extends 70 years after the death of the author, so a book published in the US in 1923 (and so out of copyright there now), will be in copyright here if the author survived any length of time. Its clear nobody can check the death dates of individual writers,apart from the very famous ones, so its plain a blanket date of 1880 was imposed by Google to be on the safe side.